Citizens’ Climate Lobby

CCR 61 Avoiding High Conflict and the Big Mistake with Amanda Ripley and Katie Patrick

June 25, 2021

This episode is designed to help you improve your climate communication and outreach. Amanda Ripley, author of the new book, High Conflict—Why We Get Trapped and How to Get Out, explains how easy it is to fall into the high conflict trap. She provides insights about how to avoid these traps, and how to hear, truly hear, what an opponent is saying. 

Amanda Ripley is an investigative journalist for The Atlantic and other magazines and a New York Times bestselling author. Her other books include The Smartest Kids in the World: And How They Got That Way, and The Unthinkable: Who Survives When Disaster Strikes—and Why. Ripley spent a decade writing about human behavior for Time magazine in New York, Washington, and Paris. Her stories helped Time win two National Magazine Awards. 

The Art House

Katie Patricks is the the author of the book and podcast How to Save the World, and a TEDx speaker on the critical role of creativity, optimism, and imagination in the craft of social and environmental change. She shares with us industry secrets about how to motivate people to action. She also reveals The Big Mistake so many of us make in our climate work. 


She designs "Fitbit for the planet" apps that help social impact entrepreneurs and sustainability professionals implement powerful data, game design and behavior-change techniques that create real and measurable change. She is the co-founder of Energy Lollipop and Urban Canopy in San Francisco —  startups that are devoted to bringing down the peak CO2 released by the electricity grid. 

You can hear standalone versions of The Art House at Artists and Climate Change

Good News Report

Our good news story this month is about a very special conference Citizens Climate Lobby organized for Catholics in the USA and beyond. Madeleine Para, president of CCL shares this good news along with Jon Clark. Jon is Citizens Climate Lobby’s Appalachia Regional Coordinator and he developed the idea for the conference.  Learn more about Catholics in CCL and beyond. 

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